Details on upcoming GOLD version

For everyone who's been asking, YES! If you have bought any version of the game so far, you will most definitely receive the GOLD edition as a FREE udpate. With Level Up Labs "Free Updates" does indeed mean free updates :)

Hey Defender's Quest fans!

Monday is when we will normally issue updates, if we have any ready. We don't have one this week because I've been busy working on gold features, which will be held back until they're all done and then released all at once.  When we do have udpates, though, rest assured, you'll see them on Monday :)

Also, Anthony's at GDC all week so it's just me and James holding the fort, so it might take a little longer to answer emails / respond to forum posts, etc.

So, with that all being said, let me tell you guys what we've been up to lately! Announcing...

Defender's Quest GOLD EDITION

Gold edition will be version 1.0 of the game, but we haven't definitively and clearly stated what will and won't be in the game.

Now that development is well under way, here's what we can commit to:

New Art!
Yes, we're giving the game a major face-lift! We're keeping the character designs mostly the same, but we're putting in all new backgrounds, new sprite animations, and depending on time and budget might overhaul  the UI and some other elements as well.

For digital painting stuff, we've hired the amazingly talented Karen Petrasko, who's worked for  Amaranth Games, PassionFruit Games, Wadjet Eye Games, Gamenauts, and others.

Here's the new title screen she did for us:

Here's another quick tease - the new "golden man enthroned" background:

We'll share some more art in the future as we get it done :) We also have some sprite artists, too, but we'll share more details on that once we get some stuff done at that front.

Note for those with art-style grumps:
If you're incredibly attached to our old art style for some reason, we'll consider an option to switch between the styles. This will require us to switch the way we load assets to the game, so we'll only do it if we have time, it's technically feasible, and enough people really, really want it.  Unlike last time, we will have two complete sets of art , so it's at least possible this go-round.

This would add the native ability to mod the art style for the game, so it'd have other uses as well, but we've got a ton on our plate already, so unless there's a lot of demand please understand that though it's doable, it's a bit low on our priority list.

More End-Game Bonus Battles
We'll be including more bonus battles for sure.  Right now we're leaning towards most of these being "epic" battles, ie, a fixed-wave challenge, such as 50 or 100 waves, with one or more "endless" challenges as the very last ones, so there's a natural progression to the list.  Haven't decided for sure yet, but basically - more bonus battles!

Doing Something With Unique Equipment
You'll notice you can't sell any of your unique equipment.  This is because we're doing something with it in Gold edition - we're not sure just what yet, though!  Basically, I want there to be some mechanism for upgrading these items into "super" versions that are viable end-game choices. What exactly that means though is still TBD.

New Game PLUS
A common feature in JRPG's is a "New Game+" mode where you can start a new game using the data from a save slot that's already beaten the game, and experience some new features.  Chrono Trigger famously did this, letting you retain all your experience and equipment to blaze through the game and experience some secret endings.

In Defender's Quest, all you have to do to enable NG+ mode is beat the game. Any challenge level will do, so even if you only eke by with blue stars on casual mode, you'll still get there.

When you beat the game, your save slot will look like this*:

After you've started a New Game+, it will look like this:

*Just a design mockup. Final look will depend on the new UI and sprite styling.

"Play" will take you to your normal save slot.  "Play+" will take you to your New Game+.  The data for NG+ works under a "two-slots in one" model.

Your party data is shared between the two worlds.  All levels, xp, equipment, scrap, skills, etc, gained in one will be exactly the same in the other.  Your map and battle progress in each world, however, is tracked separately.  Since party data is shared, when you start a NG+, Azra starts out at full strength with all her xp, levels, and spells.  You start with an empty party but whenever you encounter each hero, like Slak, Ketta, etc, that character class is unlocked in NG+ mode, and you'll now see all of your recruits from that class at their old powered-up strength with all their equipment and skills.

All of the battles will be given a face-lift for NG+ that raises the challenge.  We could have just bumped everything up by X levels, but that sounds boring.  However, creating new content for each and every challenge would be way too much work.  What we're doing instead is creating new monster types that only show up in NG+ mode, and creating a global replacement rule across the game.

That means, every monster in normal mode will have a corresponding "alternate" version in NG+, kind of like how in the original Super Mario Bros' "second quest" the turtles were replaced with fireproof buzzy beetles, which in turn were replaced by unstompable spikeys.  We'll also apply a global monster level bump of some sort, and that will be how we generate the new battle content for NG+.  Hopefully that will be a good amount of new and interesting content without too much extra work.

These new monster types will have new and interesting behaviors, not just rehashes of stats and existing abilities. What exactly those will be is still a secret, though :)

For boss battles we might manually hand-craft the NG+ versions of those, we haven't decided yet.  Battle rewards will probably be new, and there'll most likely be a new set of non-unique items in the game so you still have stuff to spend money on.

New Game+ will also raise the level cap, for obvious reasons :)

The next thing about New Game+ mode is that it will include some other special features. Namely...

Side Quests

We've identified natural places to insert new missions that run perpendicular to the normal story arc. These will inject a bit more story and gameplay content and generally add spice.  These battles will be special and do things like restrict which classes you can use and a few other surprises so they're not just "more battles" (because we already have lots of that with NG+)

So, first off - why are Side Quests only in NG+ mode? Why not also in normal mode? A few reasons:

  1. Most of you have already beaten the normal game
    If we include sidequests in the normal quest, there's little point in playing them in the normal mode as you'll be way over-leveled.
  2. We like the "core" story experience of normal mode
    Side quests tend to slow games down.  We feel normal mode has really good pacing and a driving central motivation pushing things forward.  We feel that in normal mode, the sidequests would be distracting to new players, but in NG+ where you've seen the old stuff already, these will be a nice new treat.
  3. If it ain't broken...
    We've got a good thing going with normal mode, so in the unlikely event sidequests totally destroy the narrative, it only affects a special bonus mode and doesn't tarnish first impressions of the game.

These sidequests will reveal a little bit more of the backstory of Defender's Quest and also give us more chances for individual characterization, as well as cool new battle set-pieces. The next feature is related to this end...

Azra's Journal

Being a Librarian, Azra has been writing down her experience in the Pit.  In NG+ mode a prominent "Journal" button will be added to the UI which lets you read her thoughts:

New Journal entries will be added as you progress through the game, documenting Azra's observations and generally fleshing out the experience through details, notes, and sketches.  We're going to try to nail that "British Naturalist in the Galapagos" vibe.

So, what's the point of the journal? And why is it only in NG+?
  1. Gives our writer something to do
    Most of the NG+ features are art and programming heavy, but this will keep James busy and will hopefully provide some content that people who love story will really be able to dig into.
  2. Provide NG+ story rewards
    In normal mode, before and after every battle you get a little cutscene, which is a great little reward.  In NG+, you've seen all the cutscenes already (and yes, we'll add an option to auto-skip cutscenes) so the reward is diminished.  This should provide a new story reward for those who are into that.
  3. PacingThe Journal is available only in NG+ mode for pacing reasons, again.  In normal mode, I would be afraid people would feel obligated to click on it every time it shows a new entry, and since normal mode has so many cutscenes already it'd be in serious danger of slowing the player down.
We might use the journal to provide basic info-dumps on in-game things, like an enemy bestiary, for example.  If we do that, we'd probably make those basic functions available in normal mode, but keep the extra story entries as exclusives for NG+.

So, those are some things we can formally announce for Defender's Quest Gold edition!

One last thing, because some people have asked?

Why Gold Edition? Why not a sequel?

Some people have asked why we're bothering with such a big update to the game rather than focusing on immediately doing a sequel. Some have mentioned that the updates might be of only marginal value in attracting new sales and that our time would be better spent making an all-new game for our existing fanbase.

There's several reasons we're doing GOLD edition:
  1. This is the game we want to make
    This is the definitive version of Defender's Quest, and we would have finished it to this degree if we could have afforded to, but we had to release early to survive. Now that we're doing pretty good, we can afford to roll out these bonuses and make the game we're happy with.
  2. We really want to get picked up by Steam/HIB, etcWe've submitted to Steam and the Humble Indie Bundle, but haven't heard back from either.  These added bonus features - in particular the new art style - will give us a better chance of being noticed. If we get picked up by either we could likely expand our audience by 10x at least.
  3. We want to put our best foot forward for Desura/Impulse/GamersGate/IndieVania/etc
    Regardless of whether Steam/HIB come knocking, we're going to launch on the other big digital distribution portals, and we want to polish up the game a bit before then so that we can really drive sales on first impressions.
  4. Attract another round of press attention
    Releasing a big update will hopefully get us some more reviews. By responding to all the criticisms we've seen so far, hopefully the next round of articles will be even better :)
Oh right, I forgot one last thing:

RELEASE DATE : When it's done.

We slipped on our original release date for early release, and we're not making that mistake twice. Our honest estimate is something like a month or two, but who knows.  Could be longer, could be shorter. 

We'll keep you posted.

-Lars out.


Xander Bennett said...

Awesome. Best 7 bucks I ever spent!

I truly hope you guys get picked up by Steam and make a gajillion dollars.

windowsphone7developement said...

HTML5 is very anti-flash. There is basically now nothing that could not theoretically be done in HTML5 that is done in Flash. Canvas2D, SVG for vector graphics, ECMAScript, (which in reality is %95 of Flash's usage, that and ads). Expect the Flash install base to drop significantly when YouTube switches (which could be quite soon, Google are already going to phase out IE6 in March and the prototype HTML5 player is fairly good).

alex said...

I would like to have some minor updates first
I finished the normal story and the endless 1 and thus hopes to have some thing to play

Lars Doucet said...


We'll definitely be doing some incremental updates before the gold version. We'll keep you posted on our pgoress.


The Flash "vs" HTML5 debate bores me to tears. Each technology has its own pros and cons, and I have no particular loyalties - I'm a pure pragmatist. HTML5 shows a lot of promise for sure, but it currently doesn't give me any way to meaningfully deploy to a desktop, and although it can do everything flash can do "in theory" currently it's not standardized across all platforms and in many browsers equivalent content actually runs much slower.

The fact that I have to use a hidden swf file to get audio to consistently work in HTML5 demonstrates that it's not quite ready yet. For video, sure, but it's not there yet for games.

Of course, if HTML5 does catch up to Flash in both theory AND practice, I will definitely be giving it a spin as it solves some of Flash's major problems :)

My other major complaint is that HTML5 is Javascript, and Javascript is my least favorite language to code in. The fact that JS variables don't have types makes it a real pain.

In the future I'll probably be using HaXe with a C++ target for desktop based deployment, and either a flash or HTML5 target for browser stuff :)

MTaur said...

Something to add to the list of whys: You promised us extra goodies if we bought early into the reduced-price non-gold edition. And now it's time to deliver. :)

Lars Doucet said...

Indeed :) It's a Good thing to keep promises!

5177fcd2-6c3b-11e1-9aff-000bcdcb5194 said...

Put in some random battle type of bonus? Pretty please? So it's not always the same at the end of the game. We could even share random seeds with each other. It would be fun :)

Bjorn Morrison said...

I found out about your game from the latest round of RPS coverage. After 20 minutes with the demo I decided to buy. About 40 mins later I finally maaged to stop playing long enough topurchase. Awesome game, awesome developers, awesome attitudes. Best of luck for the future, you deserve every success.

Riddoct said...

I thought this game was gonna be terrible because of the graphics but then I played it and got suckered into hours and hours of time wasted!

I'm obviously holding you responsible for this :P

Pavone84 said...

looking forward to this, i also bought the game just after playing the demo, was awesome, i got a little bored after i finished it like 3 months ago, but i got onto it again this week with new patches and now this amazing news. AWESOME GAME AND DEVELOPERS!

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Dustin1280 said...

FYI, you guys rock and this game needs more attention. I played the demo on kongregate and then bought it within 10 minutes of doing so.
Since then I have put right around 20 hours into the game and got every character to level 40, perfected every map on extreme, and have all 36 characters equipped with the best gear available including Evni. Needless to say I got my moneys worth and CANNOT wait for the gold version.

dsrtrosy said...

OK, being an impatient Nellie here...a month down the road, how is Gold coming along? I've been drooling over the current HIB and really hope you guys get picked up for one once you are finished with "the game you want to make". Those of us who luh-luh-luhve this game just can't wait to see what you come up with!

Lars Doucet said...

It's coming along pretty well - I have a dev log in our forums that I update at least once a week if you want to follow along

Right now, we've got a lot of our big features finished:

New art - 70% done
New code - 90% done
New level designs - 40% done
Bug testing - 5% done

Super rough estimate :)

dsrtrosy said...

Oohh...will bookmark that and check it out. And thanks for the estimate--one of the things I like about you guys is how much info you provide along those lines.

moo said...

Picked this up during Because We May, on recommendation from Rock Paper Shotgun.
Oh goodness, I've been playing this between my home and (shhh) work PCs. I was tempted to play two very different loadouts, but just ended up exporting/importing instead.
Can't wait for the Gold Version!
Keep up the phenomenal work!

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